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All right.

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Hey, White Sox fans.

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It’s your ladies and night

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podcasters coming at you

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with our seventh episode.

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It’s just hard to believe

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that we’ve already,

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even in such a crummy season,

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we’ve managed to get our

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busy ladies together for seven of these.

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But I’m Melissa Sage

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Bolenbach and I have Allie

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Wessel here with me tonight.

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We may have a few more

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people pop in at some point,

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but right now,

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Ali and I are just going to

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go for it because we have

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the two of us have plenty

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of things that we can talk about.

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And so we’re just going to

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we’re going to jump right

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in and we’re going to kick

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it off because so this is

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my list of that we’ve two weeks ago,

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like exactly two weeks ago, we did a pod.

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And these are the things

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that have happened since then.

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So they had the 21 game losing streak.

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They broke the 21 game losing streak.

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Pedro got fired.

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Grazy Sizemore got hired.

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We were swept by the Cubs.

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We had a killer win against the Yankees,

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but then we lost the series

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to the Yankees.

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So it’s kind of for a crappy season.

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kind of a lot of stuff in

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two weeks so we have all

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kinds of things that we can

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talk about so of course we

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have to lead off with the

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first thing because I i

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need to know what your

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reaction or your thoughts

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were uh when you finally

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heard the word got the got

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the message that uh our

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buddy pedro got the axe

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Yeah.

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I was a little… I’m not going to lie.

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I was actually surprised

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because if I recall correctly,

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this is the first time that

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we’ve fired a manager in

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the middle of a season.

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Yeah.

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So I’m a little shocked that

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they actually did it.

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But I think a losing streak

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such as that prompts something like that.

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I mean…

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especially after two seasons like that,

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like someone has to be the

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scapegoat for a situation like that.

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And the manager is the easiest.

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I think the thing that I was

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more shocked about though,

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was that along with him being let go,

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they also let go the bench coach,

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the third base coach and

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the assistant hitting coach,

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which is an odd thing.

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group of coaches I feel like

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to let go unless that those

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are the ones that pedro

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brought in with him right

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which it is they that those

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were the guys that he was

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the he like yeah which

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charlie montoyo that’s

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right yeah so him getting

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fired was interesting

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because he was a front

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runner that was like like

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People were talking about

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him getting that job when

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Pedro was hired.

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And so everyone was really

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excited that he was going

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to be the bench coach.

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And I feel like typically

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when something like that

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happens in a major league ball club,

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instead of naming someone

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else in the system, you just…

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you let the bench coach take

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over because that’s the

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point of the line just fill

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in um and especially with

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him already having mlb

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experience as a manager

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like I just felt like that

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was the the thing to do so

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I like those moves I found

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a little more interesting

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Um,

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I will say like I said this two weeks ago,

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and I will continue to say this,

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Pedro getting fired changes

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nothing like the the

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organization as a whole is

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still very systemically broken.

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And like, this doesn’t solve anything.

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Like,

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we’re just going to hire someone else.

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And we’re just going to

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replace a staff that is like

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going to be set up to fail

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as long as Jerry Reinsdorf

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is owning the team and

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Chris Goetz and his team are at the helm.

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I fully believe that.

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There were a lot of people

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jumping for joy on Twitter.

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Yeah,

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I’m glad that such a crappy manager

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is gone, but at the same time,

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it’s band-aid on a problem.

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It doesn’t fix anything.

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I’m not as elated as I think

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some people were.

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Yeah,

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I’m so with you on that because the

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timing for me is what was bizarre.

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You know, you mentioned that, you know,

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the time of the season when they did it.

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And you’re like, well, at this point,

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there’s really not that many games,

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40 something games left.

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It’s like, let him wear it right.

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Let the captain go down.

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And then the other part of me is like, OK,

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so they knew they were going to do it.

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So clearly it wasn’t about

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money because they let him go.

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And so they still are on the

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hook for the money.

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So like if they really kind

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of wanted to see if a new

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if new blood was going to

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shake things up at all,

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then why not do it like

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before you traded everybody away?

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Because really,

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and we can kind of get into

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Grady Sizemore and how

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these last five games have

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gone and stuff in a little bit.

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But how can you even really

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judge if what a new manager,

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new leadership can do when

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you still have really a

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core of players that

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they’re just not good?

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I mean,

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you’ve got a bunch of average

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ballplayers and below

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average ballplayers.

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and you know despite what

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major league tells us you

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know the movie there really

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is only so much you could

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do with guys who can’t hit

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and run and you know and

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catch um thankfully we do

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have some guys who can

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throw the starters the

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bullpen is a whole other

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story but truly so to me

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the timing is just so

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bizarre with it that I’m

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like what what is this

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doing I mean he should have been gone

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during the 14-game losing streak.

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That’s when you fire a manager.

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That is the perfect

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opportunity to fire a manager.

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And so if you were willing

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to let it go on that long,

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what was different from

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what was going on before

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versus this 21-game losing streak?

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And like to do it right before the cross,

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like you did it on an off

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day right before Crosstown Classic.

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Like, I just, I don’t know.

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I just find it odd.

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Yeah.

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And it’s like,

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and so you let him break the streak,

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gets a win, but then gets another loss.

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And clearly they’ve known for quite,

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I mean,

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if you listen between the lines

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when Chris Getz is doing

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his interviews and just

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leaks and things that we’ve

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heard through the clubhouse and,

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like they’ve known it’s not

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been good for a while like

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even like going back to

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last year you know we were

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hearing the rumblings about

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oh well pedro doesn’t

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really have the control of

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the clubhouse and buy-in by

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the players so if they knew

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that after last year like

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why just why like why not

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then like start this year

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all over with somebody else

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if you were going to eat

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the money anyway to me it’s

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just it’s just kind of

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stupid so yeah I like knew

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I was like good I’m glad

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he’s gone because he just

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wasn’t bringing anything to

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the table but on the other

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hand it’s very confusing

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and I don’t see how doing

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it now is how it had any

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logic to it whatsoever yeah

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I also just think like,

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I got this sense that Jerry

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and the rest of the front

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office thought that like

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Pedro was going to be their

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little puppet.

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And like, he was for a while.

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And like, clearly it just like,

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like just the things that

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Pedro was saying,

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it was just very clear how much in the,

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in the pocket of all of that he was.

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And like, you know,

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at some point you’re like,

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that’s probably why he

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stuck around for so long.

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But like,

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Also, like part of me is like,

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was he trying to do things different?

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Like, you know, like what,

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like what else was going on?

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You know what I mean?

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Like,

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that’s also like what I have to

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wonder too, because I don’t know.

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There was a reason Pedro got

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hired and it wasn’t because

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he had MLB managing experience, like,

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you know, so yeah.

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Yeah.

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but good riddance, goodbye.

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See you later.

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Let’s close the book on that

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one and move on by.

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So I don’t know, what about any thoughts?

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Do you have any at all or

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have read anything that

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people have said about who

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you would like to see or

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who you think might be a

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possible candidate

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I have not read too much

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into like candidates or

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anything like that.

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Like my dad’s in our family

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group chat being like,

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bring back Terry Francona and like,

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like whatever.

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And I’m like, no, no, no, no, no.

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My ideal candidate is like

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someone who is on the young,

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like Pedro for me was an

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ideal candidate because he

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was on the younger side.

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Like he seemed to have an

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appeal to players.

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Like,

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On paper,

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other than not having proven

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success when the front

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office is trying to say

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we’re trying to be back in

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a competitive window,

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that was really the only

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thing that stuck out like a

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sore thumb for Pedro getting hired.

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But I would really like to

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see a young guy who can

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relate to players and wants

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to play the game in the way that…

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it’s being played now

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because I think like with Tony La Russa,

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like he wanted to play it.

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Like it was like baseball was being like,

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he wanted to play this like

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old fashioned game of baseball.

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And that’s just not the realm of baseball.

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what baseball is anymore and

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like we we are baseball is

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evolving and I mean I know

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like one of the things

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we’re going to talk about

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is like pitching later like

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later on the podcast like

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things are evolving and the

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way that the game is being

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played is evolving and so I

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think like having someone

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who’s like watched that

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happen and like has more

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perspective on that rather

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than being like this is the

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way it’s always been so

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we’re just going to

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continue like you know what I mean um

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So I guess those are like

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attributes I would look for

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in a new manager, but like who fits that?

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I don’t know.

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Right.

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Who knows?

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Yeah.

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I mean, one of the names, of course,

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that I, you know,

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that first I saw out there

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and I think Nightingale

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tweeted out and stuff was that, you know,

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the skip shoemaker and he is, you know,

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he’s a young guy.

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He played,

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but I was like digging around a

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little bit.

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Cause I’m like, I don’t think he’s been,

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you know,

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I don’t pay too much attention

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to other teams for the most part,

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but you know,

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he did win NL manager of the

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year last year.

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For a record for the Marlins of 84 and 78,

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which not jumping off of

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the paper to me at all.

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And then this year they’re 45 and 76.

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So I don’t know.

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I guess I have to be,

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I have to be sold on that

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one a little bit.

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I mean, he, he checks some of the boxes,

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but then there’s plenty of

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things just to red flags.

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I guess I would say is that

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he hasn’t been a manager

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that long and he had one good season and,

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decent season, I would say.

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I mean, it’s pretty close to 500.

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It’s not even that terrific.

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And then this year, I mean,

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the Marlins pretty much

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imploded with a lot of the

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same players that they had last year.

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So yeah, I, I, yeah, I don’t know.

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The big thing is, is that I think

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I get the sense that we’re

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finally admitting that this

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is a rebuild again and that

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is what is happening.

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If you’re going to bring in

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a new manager to execute a rebuild,

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then we need to hire

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someone who’s going to be

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able to be here for the

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entirety of that and see

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that through because

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these players can play baseball, right?

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Like they make it to the

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major leagues because they

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are talented like individuals,

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but they need,

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like we need a manager that

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can manage the dynamic of a

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team and like make the

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proper calls and all of that stuff.

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And I think part of that is

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building trust with your

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players and being there and

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knowing how the team operates.

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And if we continue to have

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this revolving door of managers, right?

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Like how are you,

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how are you building an

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organization to be

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successful if like you

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can’t even keep a coaching

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staff for more than two years?

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Like,

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Right.

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And I think there’s probably

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some argument to be made

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that in the last rebuild,

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that’s part of where we

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messed up is we brought a

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guy in who did a really

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good job and in building it

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and bringing the, you know,

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bringing the players up and, um,

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just making it a cohesive team.

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We’re really excited to play together.

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And then we handed it off to

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somebody else and that

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didn’t work so well.

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So, um, yeah.

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So I think that that’s a

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really valid point.

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Um,

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I’m just,

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I guess I’m not convinced the

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White Sox are capable of

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finding somebody like that.

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I mean, I just,

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I guess I’m so jaded of

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their history in picking

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managers and placing

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managers at the right time.

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And I mean, it goes way back to, you know,

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Tony in the early 80s and

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him building it and doing all that stuff,

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but then them giving up on

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him and Jeff Torborg.

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And they just have this

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really poor track record

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in the jerry era anyway of

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of doing exactly what you

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said and in terms of trying

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to build something and

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sustain it and have the

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right person in place and I

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just I don’t know the

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confidence yeah I had a

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thought and then I just

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Oh, I know.

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I mean,

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we talked about this two weeks ago

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on our last podcast too,

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about like being able to

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sign free agents and all of

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that stuff to like bring, you know,

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bring talent to Chicago.

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But, and like,

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why would you want to come

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play in Chicago when you

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see how broken this is?

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And I think the same thing

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goes for a major league manager.

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Like, yes, it is as someone who’s like,

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you know, coaching in baseball,

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like that is the dream, right?

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To manage a major league baseball team.

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But at the same time, like,

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you’re not going to walk

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into a situation that you

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know you’re going to be set up to fail.

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Right.

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Right.

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So, I mean, that’s going to,

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I think that’s going to be

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the hard bargain too,

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is to get quality

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candidates in the door that

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actually want to come coach

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in this city for the team

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and for this organization.

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Because they don’t have to

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do much research to see

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exactly how it plays out.

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So, yeah.

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So it isn’t much different

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than recruiting the big star player.

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And I mean, we’ve seen like,

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players and coaches and all

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of that can burn bridges really quickly.

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When you decide that you

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don’t want to buy into what

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Jerry is selling,

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or you don’t want to drink the Kool-Aid,

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like the waters can sour.

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That’s the wrong phrase, but you know,

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things can sour very

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quickly when you don’t buy into that.

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And like, you know,

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someone’s going to want to,

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someone is going to want to

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come in and do things the

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way that they want to do things,

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not the way that Chris gets

00:15:04.172 –> 00:15:04.793
or Jerry grinds,

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or if we’re trying to pull strings from,

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from behind the scenes.

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And like,

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There are few people out

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there that I think are

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willing to put up with

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something like that.

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I know,

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which is to go into a little bit to

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Getz’s press conference, too, about,

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you know,

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where where they were looking

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for the manager and all of that.

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And, you know, he was like, oh,

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we’re going to go outside

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the organization.

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It’s going to be somebody in

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a currently in a major league uniform.

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And it’s like.

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To me,

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he seemed so out of touch with what

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we’re talking about and is

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that like how many of those

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people are going to be like, yeah,

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sign me up to go to the White Sox.

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Like, I mean,

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he totally just narrowed it

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down to this very specific

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group of people instead of

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being open to potential

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other opportunities, because

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I don’t know.

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I don’t,

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I’m not sure that they’re going to

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be lining up outside the

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door for an interview of,

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especially after they saw

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what happened to Pedro.

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I mean, yikes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That’s a,

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it’s going to be an interesting

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development over the off season.

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Yeah.

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But I guess that also moves

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into interim manager.

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Yes.

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Perfect.

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Yeah.

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I guess, like, initial thoughts?

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Like, what are your feelings?

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Like… So,

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I have watched all five games

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that he’s been the manager of.

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I will say that there hasn’t been as many,

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like, when it’s come to the bullpen,

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I haven’t been like, oh my gosh,

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what are you doing?

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Which is probably, you know, a plus.

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But

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have the players been

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playing differently or

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harder or with more passion or whatever,

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like others have been talking about?

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I mean, yeah,

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Dominic Fletcher was all over

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the field last night, bouncing around,

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like reminded me of an Aaron Rowan.

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He’s running into walls and

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hitting the ground,

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catching balls and stuff.

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Um,

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And I kind of like have two

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thoughts about that.

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One is like,

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it’s your job and you’re a professional.

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And even if you don’t like your boss,

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you still go to work and bust your ass.

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So that would bother me if

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truly they are like all of a sudden,

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like this is capturing this

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energy or what have you.

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So that kind of annoys me a little bit.

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And I don’t, I don’t truly know if it,

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If it’s Grady, you know,

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that’s why all of this buzz is happening.

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Or if it’s just the fact

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that Pedro’s gone.

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That they’re more into it.

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So, yeah.

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So I’m kind of all over the place.

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That was an all over the place answer.

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But those are just some of my observations,

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I guess, in the last five games.

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Yeah.

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I…

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I just like I look at Gavin Sheets,

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for example, in the last five games,

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who’s just absolutely been

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like stats for the last seven games.

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I just pulled them up here

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because I was curious.

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But like he’s getting 481

00:18:20.590 –> 00:18:22.092
scored three runs, 13 hits,

00:18:22.112 –> 00:18:23.613
a home run and six RBIs.

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in his last seven games, which, like,

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I mean,

00:18:28.634 –> 00:18:30.296
that’s what Pedro’s last two games

00:18:30.355 –> 00:18:31.455
in Greece, his five.

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That’s good.

00:18:35.678 –> 00:18:36.557
I mean, he had a ton.

00:18:36.617 –> 00:18:37.458
I was getting the

00:18:37.478 –> 00:18:39.159
notifications last night when I was out.

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Like,

00:18:40.558 –> 00:18:42.500
he’s been pulling quite a bit of weight,

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and I don’t know.

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I just – I do – even if you’re – even if –

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you’re showing up to work

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and you’re busting your ass

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and you’re trying to win a game.

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I do feel like sometimes

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like just the negative,

00:18:56.551 –> 00:18:58.173
like I hate my boss.

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Like it does affect your performance,

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whether or not you think it is.

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And so I think just removing that,

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but I don’t like how much

00:19:10.183 –> 00:19:11.326
can just turning over

00:19:12.785 –> 00:19:16.087
a coach really changed things overnight.

00:19:16.147 –> 00:19:16.627
Like these are,

00:19:16.768 –> 00:19:18.910
these are the same players there.

00:19:19.049 –> 00:19:20.510
It’s the same playbook, right?

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Like nothing,

00:19:22.211 –> 00:19:23.452
like nothing’s really changed

00:19:23.512 –> 00:19:24.614
other than Grady showing up

00:19:24.653 –> 00:19:26.234
and being like, hi guys, I’m your coach.

00:19:26.275 –> 00:19:27.135
Like, let’s have fun.

00:19:27.175 –> 00:19:28.517
Like we’re not winning anything.

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So why don’t we just go have

00:19:29.738 –> 00:19:32.720
a little fun out there and do whatever,

00:19:33.059 –> 00:19:34.161
you know, like I don’t,

00:19:36.242 –> 00:19:37.463
I can’t imagine that much

00:19:37.503 –> 00:19:38.585
has changed other than

00:19:38.644 –> 00:19:40.385
maybe people breathing a

00:19:40.445 –> 00:19:41.426
sigh of relief that,

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you know,

00:19:42.951 –> 00:19:44.773
but also we don’t know what Pedro

00:19:44.814 –> 00:19:45.654
looked like in the dugout.

00:19:45.714 –> 00:19:47.016
He could have been, you know,

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I don’t know what he’s

00:19:47.817 –> 00:19:48.376
looking like in the

00:19:48.396 –> 00:19:49.357
clubhouse after a game.

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Like he could have been

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making their lives miserable.

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That’s true.

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And I think from some of the

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stuff that we were,

00:19:56.806 –> 00:19:57.886
getting out of the clubhouse, I,

00:19:58.527 –> 00:20:00.969
I did get the sense that he was blaming,

00:20:01.549 –> 00:20:03.010
like a lot of the, like,

00:20:03.371 –> 00:20:04.231
obviously the players are

00:20:04.291 –> 00:20:06.233
at fault for the way that

00:20:06.273 –> 00:20:07.054
they’ve been playing,

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but also like a coach being like,

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this is all your fault.

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And we’re losing because you

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guys are shitty.

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Like necessarily.

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Yeah.

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It’s not motivating.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think the one thing with

00:20:22.932 –> 00:20:25.073
Grady Sizemore that I’m

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just a little bit – this is

00:20:27.113 –> 00:20:28.173
just the fan base, right?

00:20:28.212 –> 00:20:31.074
Like, we – as the team goes, we go.

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And, like, I do love the young energy.

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Like, he’s 42.

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He’s young.

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So he’s not that far removed

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from the game of baseball, like,

00:20:41.296 –> 00:20:42.215
actually playing.

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But, like,

00:20:45.695 –> 00:20:49.974
they got that 12-2 win on Friday – or –

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monday every day that was

00:20:53.038 –> 00:20:54.480
and like I go on I go on

00:20:54.520 –> 00:20:55.583
twitter and everyone’s like

00:20:56.282 –> 00:20:57.345
I’m all in on grady

00:20:57.365 –> 00:20:58.826
sizemore like I’d like to

00:20:58.906 –> 00:20:59.988
hire him for the next

00:21:00.067 –> 00:21:02.632
manager blah blah blah and

00:21:02.692 –> 00:21:04.974
I’m I am all for ha

00:21:06.553 –> 00:21:07.752
When it comes to the White Sox,

00:21:07.853 –> 00:21:10.294
we have to celebrate the wins, right?

00:21:10.453 –> 00:21:11.574
You have to celebrate the

00:21:11.614 –> 00:21:12.653
small things that happen.

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And Monday night’s game was really fun.

00:21:15.234 –> 00:21:16.414
It was really fun to see

00:21:16.454 –> 00:21:17.815
that this team has the

00:21:17.855 –> 00:21:19.756
ability to put up that many

00:21:19.816 –> 00:21:21.796
runs against the New York Yankees,

00:21:21.875 –> 00:21:25.436
who are in a race for the

00:21:25.517 –> 00:21:26.376
AL East right now.

00:21:26.737 –> 00:21:27.376
That’s fun.

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And you can’t help but celebrate that.

00:21:32.258 –> 00:21:33.557
But slow your roll.

00:21:33.577 –> 00:21:35.858
These guys have only won one game.

00:21:37.512 –> 00:21:38.153
it’s okay.

00:21:38.413 –> 00:21:39.554
We don’t have to hire him.

00:21:41.413 –> 00:21:41.914
It’s fine.

00:21:43.474 –> 00:21:44.915
We can still have fun, but just,

00:21:45.016 –> 00:21:45.576
just chill.

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Like he doesn’t need to stay.

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Maybe he does.

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Maybe he doesn’t, but.

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Or he can stay, you know, in,

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in a role in the coaching staff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don’t see an issue with that at all.

00:22:00.060 –> 00:22:00.101
Um,

00:22:01.738 –> 00:22:03.641
But I’m with you and I’m like, well,

00:22:03.661 –> 00:22:04.181
hold on.

00:22:05.102 –> 00:22:07.384
He’s nothing what Chris

00:22:07.424 –> 00:22:09.508
described in his press conference, right?

00:22:09.528 –> 00:22:11.470
He’s not in another uniform.

00:22:11.509 –> 00:22:13.152
He’s not from outside the organization.

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He’s not, you know,

00:22:14.313 –> 00:22:16.936
doesn’t have any experience in terms of,

00:22:17.257 –> 00:22:18.178
you know, managing.

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And can we please just try

00:22:22.240 –> 00:22:23.661
to do an authentic search?

00:22:24.480 –> 00:22:26.060
There’s my plea, right?

00:22:26.662 –> 00:22:29.663
Please, at least have your list.

00:22:29.702 –> 00:22:30.182
Apparently,

00:22:30.222 –> 00:22:31.663
Chris Getz has a list somewhere

00:22:31.702 –> 00:22:33.743
in a drawer that he’s been

00:22:33.784 –> 00:22:35.924
making since he was

00:22:35.964 –> 00:22:37.204
dreaming of being a GM.

00:22:38.546 –> 00:22:39.066
Excuse me.

00:22:40.847 –> 00:22:44.788
puppies um and so take that

00:22:44.848 –> 00:22:46.910
list add a few names from

00:22:47.009 –> 00:22:48.250
other respected people that

00:22:48.289 –> 00:22:50.090
you know in baseball and

00:22:50.191 –> 00:22:51.912
talk to these people and

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offer them like a living

00:22:53.632 –> 00:22:55.113
wage if you really want to

00:22:55.153 –> 00:22:56.712
come in and turn this thing

00:22:56.772 –> 00:22:59.953
around is let’s do it let’s

00:23:00.034 –> 00:23:01.954
do it right let’s not be

00:23:03.268 –> 00:23:05.308
doing any more of these, you know,

00:23:06.170 –> 00:23:08.832
fake searches or no searches,

00:23:09.071 –> 00:23:10.532
or let’s actually like

00:23:10.613 –> 00:23:11.813
follow through and do what

00:23:11.853 –> 00:23:14.535
we say we’re going to do and try to,

00:23:14.755 –> 00:23:16.175
to bring in some top

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quality people and see if

00:23:17.517 –> 00:23:18.557
we can get this thing done.

00:23:19.198 –> 00:23:19.458
Yeah.

00:23:20.157 –> 00:23:22.819
And I, you know, cause I,

00:23:23.039 –> 00:23:26.001
I do feel if we bring in,

00:23:26.903 –> 00:23:28.884
if we were to just snag

00:23:28.983 –> 00:23:31.365
like a top quality candidate, right.

00:23:31.965 –> 00:23:32.185
Like,

00:23:33.003 –> 00:23:34.285
that does help in the field

00:23:34.365 –> 00:23:36.086
of getting players to come play here.

00:23:36.105 –> 00:23:36.746
Right.

00:23:37.446 –> 00:23:39.528
Even if, which I just saw today,

00:23:39.567 –> 00:23:40.729
we’ve got like the 11th

00:23:40.769 –> 00:23:42.769
ranked farm system.

00:23:42.990 –> 00:23:43.151
Yeah.

00:23:43.171 –> 00:23:43.510
We’ve got,

00:23:43.770 –> 00:23:46.053
we’ve got five top 100 prospects,

00:23:46.093 –> 00:23:46.673
which is great.

00:23:47.353 –> 00:23:48.993
But even with that,

00:23:49.074 –> 00:23:49.974
we’re still going to have

00:23:50.015 –> 00:23:53.778
to sign free agents to come play here.

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And like,

00:23:55.097 –> 00:23:56.479
we’ve already belabored the point

00:23:56.519 –> 00:23:58.641
of like who wants to come play here.

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And,

00:23:59.798 –> 00:24:01.117
If you hire someone who is

00:24:01.218 –> 00:24:02.378
respectable in a manager

00:24:02.419 –> 00:24:03.739
position and people want to

00:24:03.778 –> 00:24:04.579
come play for him,

00:24:05.119 –> 00:24:06.500
it’s going to be less of a,

00:24:08.040 –> 00:24:09.840
it’s going to be easier to

00:24:09.901 –> 00:24:12.061
get people to entertain the

00:24:12.102 –> 00:24:13.001
idea of coming to play on

00:24:13.041 –> 00:24:13.962
the south side of Chicago.

00:24:14.442 –> 00:24:14.702
Yes.

00:24:15.843 –> 00:24:16.682
So let’s do this.

00:24:16.784 –> 00:24:17.844
Let’s be legitimate.

00:24:18.443 –> 00:24:20.345
Come on, White Sox, we can do it.

00:24:22.073 –> 00:24:24.433
It’s all a circle.

00:24:25.013 –> 00:24:26.794
It all feeds into one another, right?

00:24:27.933 –> 00:24:29.134
You can’t play good baseball

00:24:29.174 –> 00:24:30.454
if you don’t have a good manager.

00:24:30.575 –> 00:24:31.555
You can’t have a good

00:24:31.654 –> 00:24:32.795
manager if you don’t have a

00:24:32.835 –> 00:24:34.076
respectable organization.

00:24:34.375 –> 00:24:35.316
You can’t have a respectable

00:24:35.336 –> 00:24:36.415
organization if you can’t

00:24:36.455 –> 00:24:37.135
sign good players.

00:24:37.496 –> 00:24:37.836
Yes.

00:24:38.896 –> 00:24:40.237
All the dots are connecting.

00:24:42.777 –> 00:24:43.176
All right.

00:24:43.237 –> 00:24:45.458
Perfect time for us to take a quick break.

00:24:45.557 –> 00:24:47.397
So we’ll be right back and

00:24:47.778 –> 00:24:48.959
listen to whatever it is

00:24:49.019 –> 00:24:50.038
they want to sell you.

00:24:51.772 –> 00:24:52.273
All right.

00:24:52.394 –> 00:24:53.954
We are back, um,

00:24:53.994 –> 00:24:56.436
for the second half of our podcast and,

00:24:56.717 –> 00:24:56.836
um,

00:24:57.037 –> 00:24:58.898
we’re going to move on from talking

00:24:58.919 –> 00:24:59.659
about managers.

00:24:59.739 –> 00:25:01.861
Cause enough, enough about that.

00:25:03.842 –> 00:25:07.444
Um, so let’s briefly talk about like, what,

00:25:07.565 –> 00:25:09.026
what do we want to see then

00:25:09.807 –> 00:25:10.928
for the rest of the season?

00:25:10.968 –> 00:25:12.989
There’s 40 some games left

00:25:13.990 –> 00:25:16.711
and what is it that can

00:25:16.872 –> 00:25:19.954
give us hope moving forward

00:25:20.335 –> 00:25:21.276
in this organization?

00:25:22.826 –> 00:25:23.126
Yeah,

00:25:23.247 –> 00:25:26.171
I think this season we’ve seen some

00:25:26.310 –> 00:25:27.673
individual successes,

00:25:28.032 –> 00:25:30.556
specifically starting pitching.

00:25:30.576 –> 00:25:32.698
Garrett Crochet has been phenomenal.

00:25:32.738 –> 00:25:33.538
We’ve seen some of these

00:25:33.578 –> 00:25:35.642
young guys come up and

00:25:36.382 –> 00:25:38.605
prove that they deserve a shot here.

00:25:38.664 –> 00:25:41.448
Jonathan Cannon, Drew Thorpe,

00:25:41.488 –> 00:25:43.410
who I know has a flexor strain,

00:25:43.450 –> 00:25:43.911
which doesn’t

00:25:44.993 –> 00:25:45.974
that’s a whole other can of

00:25:46.015 –> 00:25:47.215
worms having a flexor

00:25:47.236 –> 00:25:48.316
strain that scares me.

00:25:48.435 –> 00:25:52.259
But, you know,

00:25:52.318 –> 00:25:56.781
I think continuing to see that core,

00:25:58.163 –> 00:25:59.104
I call them a core.

00:25:59.124 –> 00:26:00.585
They’re not really a core,

00:26:00.684 –> 00:26:02.205
but continuing to see those

00:26:02.266 –> 00:26:05.127
guys go out and, and do what, you know,

00:26:05.208 –> 00:26:06.989
they set out to do and perform well.

00:26:08.329 –> 00:26:09.111
I also just like,

00:26:10.512 –> 00:26:11.834
season’s been really shitty

00:26:11.894 –> 00:26:13.315
right there’s no way around

00:26:13.375 –> 00:26:15.497
that I can only imagine how

00:26:15.596 –> 00:26:17.959
miserable it is to come in

00:26:18.058 –> 00:26:19.319
and know that you are the

00:26:19.380 –> 00:26:21.461
laughingstock of mlb that

00:26:21.561 –> 00:26:24.544
cannot be fun um so I think

00:26:24.824 –> 00:26:25.724
like I would just like to

00:26:25.765 –> 00:26:27.006
see them have fun you know

00:26:27.266 –> 00:26:28.807
like own up to the fact

00:26:28.847 –> 00:26:30.068
like yeah we suck but like

00:26:30.148 –> 00:26:31.288
we’re we’re gonna go out

00:26:31.328 –> 00:26:32.089
there we’re gonna have a

00:26:32.130 –> 00:26:33.090
good time we’re gonna put

00:26:33.111 –> 00:26:34.432
our best foot forward like

00:26:35.152 –> 00:26:36.513
like that’s why monday was

00:26:36.554 –> 00:26:37.934
such a good time is like

00:26:37.994 –> 00:26:39.375
yes they did win but like

00:26:40.321 –> 00:26:41.301
also like they were,

00:26:42.002 –> 00:26:42.883
they were doing the things

00:26:42.903 –> 00:26:43.843
that they needed to do.

00:26:43.942 –> 00:26:45.483
And I think even if you’re

00:26:45.503 –> 00:26:46.403
losing games and you’re

00:26:46.423 –> 00:26:47.364
still doing the things that

00:26:47.384 –> 00:26:47.963
you need to do,

00:26:47.983 –> 00:26:49.525
the games can still be fun.

00:26:50.085 –> 00:26:52.445
Like a lot of these losses this year,

00:26:52.506 –> 00:26:53.286
what we’ve had like 28

00:26:53.286 –> 00:26:55.366
blown saves or something like that.

00:26:55.446 –> 00:26:57.548
Like we’ve blown X number of weeks.

00:26:57.768 –> 00:26:58.928
Like a lot of these losses

00:26:58.948 –> 00:27:00.327
are very gut wrenching

00:27:00.387 –> 00:27:02.068
because of the way that we’re losing.

00:27:02.128 –> 00:27:03.568
And it’s been on stupid

00:27:03.690 –> 00:27:04.970
errors or not executed

00:27:05.029 –> 00:27:06.289
plays properly or the

00:27:06.329 –> 00:27:07.770
bullpen blowing things up.

00:27:07.851 –> 00:27:08.050
Like,

00:27:09.468 –> 00:27:09.788
you know,

00:27:09.907 –> 00:27:12.750
there are ways to improve in

00:27:12.852 –> 00:27:14.432
those senses as well.

00:27:14.653 –> 00:27:16.394
Like just locking it down.

00:27:16.474 –> 00:27:18.457
Like, I just want to see individual six,

00:27:18.616 –> 00:27:19.617
like more individual

00:27:19.637 –> 00:27:20.419
success at this point.

00:27:20.459 –> 00:27:21.500
Cause obviously the team is

00:27:21.519 –> 00:27:22.721
like not going anywhere and

00:27:23.102 –> 00:27:24.804
I’d like to celebrate individual wins.

00:27:24.923 –> 00:27:25.605
So, yes.

00:27:26.404 –> 00:27:26.484
I,

00:27:26.605 –> 00:27:28.086
and that was one of the things that one

00:27:28.106 –> 00:27:30.068
of the points I had on my list was, um,

00:27:31.510 –> 00:27:32.511
The one area that I think

00:27:32.531 –> 00:27:33.794
Grady Sizemore can really

00:27:33.834 –> 00:27:36.297
make an impact with this

00:27:36.317 –> 00:27:37.657
year is on those young

00:27:37.778 –> 00:27:39.840
players because he was a

00:27:39.881 –> 00:27:41.323
player and he played for 10 years.

00:27:41.383 –> 00:27:42.964
And I think that comes with

00:27:43.005 –> 00:27:43.945
a lot of respect.

00:27:44.006 –> 00:27:44.326
You know,

00:27:44.386 –> 00:27:46.849
he wasn’t a guy who had a cup of

00:27:46.890 –> 00:27:47.911
coffee in the majors.

00:27:48.030 –> 00:27:49.633
He had a really solid career.

00:27:50.073 –> 00:27:50.753
10 year career.

00:27:50.773 –> 00:27:51.013
I mean,

00:27:51.054 –> 00:27:53.015
it’s not easy to play for 10 years

00:27:53.075 –> 00:27:53.915
and he was healthy.

00:27:53.935 –> 00:27:55.676
I kind of briefly looked through,

00:27:55.696 –> 00:27:56.458
but it looked like he was

00:27:56.498 –> 00:27:58.519
healthy for a big part of that too.

00:27:58.578 –> 00:28:01.961
So I think with some of these young guys,

00:28:02.040 –> 00:28:03.221
he can really connect where

00:28:03.261 –> 00:28:05.304
Pedro couldn’t because I mean,

00:28:05.624 –> 00:28:06.223
Pedro didn’t,

00:28:06.825 –> 00:28:08.145
he wasn’t a major league player.

00:28:08.465 –> 00:28:10.386
And so a lot of the things

00:28:10.467 –> 00:28:11.548
that these guys who are

00:28:11.607 –> 00:28:14.109
actually made it now, you know,

00:28:15.009 –> 00:28:16.571
how he can kind of

00:28:16.731 –> 00:28:18.734
understand what they’re

00:28:18.775 –> 00:28:20.356
feeling and the different

00:28:20.396 –> 00:28:21.999
emotions and situations

00:28:22.038 –> 00:28:23.201
that you get put in and how

00:28:23.240 –> 00:28:23.961
you deal with those.

00:28:23.980 –> 00:28:25.022
So I think that he could

00:28:25.063 –> 00:28:27.125
have a real impact with that.

00:28:27.965 –> 00:28:28.307
And that’s,

00:28:28.755 –> 00:28:30.596
with that kind of connecting

00:28:30.656 –> 00:28:32.377
it to some of the losses

00:28:32.397 –> 00:28:33.318
that we’ve had have been

00:28:33.378 –> 00:28:34.961
tied to this bullpen in

00:28:35.000 –> 00:28:36.382
this ancient bullpen.

00:28:36.682 –> 00:28:38.824
Like, yeah, we have some young people,

00:28:38.864 –> 00:28:39.704
but we also have a lot of

00:28:40.125 –> 00:28:41.807
old useless arms in there

00:28:42.528 –> 00:28:44.328
is time to just let that go.

00:28:44.348 –> 00:28:46.711
DFA, all those guys, you know,

00:28:46.811 –> 00:28:47.853
hopefully some of them can

00:28:47.893 –> 00:28:49.693
get snagged like John Brebbia.

00:28:49.733 –> 00:28:50.835
I think he’s a really good

00:28:50.875 –> 00:28:52.017
guy and I think he could

00:28:52.057 –> 00:28:53.357
help like a playoff team, um,

00:28:53.678 –> 00:28:54.818
I think at this point for us,

00:28:55.038 –> 00:28:56.339
it’s just for him, like,

00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:57.981
what am I doing here?

00:28:58.442 –> 00:29:00.042
Let guys like him go get on

00:29:00.083 –> 00:29:01.744
with the playoff team and

00:29:02.164 –> 00:29:03.125
bring up some of these

00:29:03.165 –> 00:29:04.207
younger arms that we have

00:29:04.247 –> 00:29:06.087
in the system and see what they can do,

00:29:06.468 –> 00:29:06.729
you know,

00:29:06.788 –> 00:29:08.470
for an inning here and an inning there.

00:29:09.790 –> 00:29:11.231
Working with Katz and Brian

00:29:11.251 –> 00:29:12.353
Bannister and all of that,

00:29:12.893 –> 00:29:15.275
I think is a real positive

00:29:15.315 –> 00:29:17.176
potential we have to finish

00:29:17.257 –> 00:29:18.458
out this last little chunk.

00:29:19.036 –> 00:29:19.797
of the season.

00:29:21.317 –> 00:29:24.800
The other thing that I really,

00:29:24.820 –> 00:29:26.702
I don’t know what the

00:29:26.782 –> 00:29:27.702
answer is or don’t know,

00:29:27.743 –> 00:29:29.825
but I just want to see Louise Robert Jr.

00:29:31.046 –> 00:29:32.207
I was just going to say that.

00:29:32.788 –> 00:29:34.028
Somehow, I don’t know what,

00:29:35.609 –> 00:29:37.250
how they need to help him,

00:29:37.832 –> 00:29:40.693
but find some way to help him and say,

00:29:41.394 –> 00:29:44.457
you are the man in Chicago

00:29:44.497 –> 00:29:45.478
here for this team,

00:29:45.998 –> 00:29:47.219
and we want to keep you,

00:29:47.338 –> 00:29:48.720
and we want to build around you,

00:29:48.900 –> 00:29:50.602
and we know how valuable you are,

00:29:51.082 –> 00:29:53.002
and what can we do to help you?

00:29:53.022 –> 00:29:54.064
Because right now,

00:29:54.144 –> 00:29:55.325
I just get the sense that

00:29:55.365 –> 00:29:56.766
he’s kind of feeling lost, like,

00:29:57.287 –> 00:29:58.186
what is my role here?

00:29:58.267 –> 00:29:59.087
Do they want me here?

00:29:59.167 –> 00:30:00.368
Do they not want me here?

00:30:01.750 –> 00:30:02.089
Clearly,

00:30:02.109 –> 00:30:03.932
we’re not going anywhere as a team, but

00:30:04.925 –> 00:30:06.445
how to still cultivate him

00:30:06.645 –> 00:30:08.886
as like a key player in

00:30:08.906 –> 00:30:09.967
this moving forward.

00:30:10.686 –> 00:30:12.867
And yeah, I don’t have an answer for that,

00:30:12.988 –> 00:30:14.607
but, but there’s gotta be, I mean,

00:30:14.647 –> 00:30:16.669
there’s smarter baseball people than me.

00:30:17.388 –> 00:30:18.409
So they’ve got to be able to

00:30:18.449 –> 00:30:19.128
figure it out.

00:30:19.189 –> 00:30:19.809
Cause this guy,

00:30:19.849 –> 00:30:21.509
we can’t just let him sit

00:30:21.529 –> 00:30:22.849
there and rot and waste

00:30:22.910 –> 00:30:24.351
away like he’s doing right now.

00:30:24.451 –> 00:30:26.611
It, it, it wrenches my gut.

00:30:26.691 –> 00:30:28.131
Like when I see on Twitter and stuff,

00:30:28.151 –> 00:30:28.731
I feel like, Oh,

00:30:29.132 –> 00:30:30.271
he’s a piece of garbage or what?

00:30:30.551 –> 00:30:31.873
No, he is not.

00:30:32.013 –> 00:30:34.876
He is so unbelievable.

00:30:35.156 –> 00:30:35.436
Yeah,

00:30:35.576 –> 00:30:37.479
it’s what it’s what is happening

00:30:37.558 –> 00:30:38.339
around him.

00:30:38.681 –> 00:30:39.642
And he’s young.

00:30:39.721 –> 00:30:40.982
That’s the other thing that people,

00:30:41.363 –> 00:30:43.285
you know, this is still a very,

00:30:43.384 –> 00:30:44.586
very young guy.

00:30:44.646 –> 00:30:47.269
And when he came, he had veterans like,

00:30:47.589 –> 00:30:47.970
you know,

00:30:48.170 –> 00:30:51.634
Jose Abreu and Yasmany Grandal

00:30:51.673 –> 00:30:52.974
and things around him.

00:30:53.615 –> 00:30:55.336
And now he doesn’t.

00:30:55.496 –> 00:30:57.176
He is the veteran now.

00:30:57.277 –> 00:30:57.797
Yeah.

00:30:58.396 –> 00:30:59.136
At what, 26?

00:31:00.857 –> 00:31:02.057
Yeah, Louie’s 26.

00:31:02.097 –> 00:31:03.317
So that’s young.

00:31:03.337 –> 00:31:04.837
That’s still so young.

00:31:04.857 –> 00:31:06.679
Yeah.

00:31:07.378 –> 00:31:08.538
Well, and it’s difficult, too,

00:31:08.558 –> 00:31:10.539
because the way that Chris

00:31:10.579 –> 00:31:12.420
gets even talking about the

00:31:12.460 –> 00:31:13.859
possibility of a Garrett

00:31:13.880 –> 00:31:15.181
Crochet extension, right?

00:31:15.201 –> 00:31:16.580
They talk in these cryptic

00:31:16.641 –> 00:31:18.340
messages of like, oh, yeah,

00:31:18.361 –> 00:31:21.061
that’s still on the table and blah, blah,

00:31:21.622 –> 00:31:21.942
blah.

00:31:23.208 –> 00:31:24.268
I can only imagine if those

00:31:24.327 –> 00:31:24.968
are the things that you’re

00:31:25.008 –> 00:31:26.969
saying in public about extending players,

00:31:27.009 –> 00:31:28.048
like the talks that are

00:31:28.068 –> 00:31:29.009
going on behind the scenes

00:31:29.048 –> 00:31:30.910
are probably not very productive either.

00:31:30.930 –> 00:31:32.650
And it’s not very convincing

00:31:32.690 –> 00:31:34.010
to the public that you want

00:31:34.050 –> 00:31:35.830
to be signing these players long-term,

00:31:35.871 –> 00:31:37.590
but like, again,

00:31:37.730 –> 00:31:38.951
successful organizations

00:31:39.071 –> 00:31:40.491
lock down young talent and

00:31:40.551 –> 00:31:41.892
invest in young talent.

00:31:42.653 –> 00:31:43.772
And if that means like

00:31:43.873 –> 00:31:45.153
paying a talent like that

00:31:45.313 –> 00:31:47.374
and giving him a clear role

00:31:47.394 –> 00:31:49.913
that he can be confident in knowing that,

00:31:50.334 –> 00:31:50.594
you know,

00:31:50.653 –> 00:31:52.474
this is the role that we want you to play,

00:31:52.555 –> 00:31:52.875
then like,

00:31:54.041 –> 00:31:56.845
do it because you’re not going to,

00:31:56.865 –> 00:31:57.685
you’re not,

00:31:58.967 –> 00:32:00.327
it’s going to be another failed,

00:32:00.587 –> 00:32:01.269
failed rebuild.

00:32:01.288 –> 00:32:01.869
Like we’re going to be in

00:32:01.910 –> 00:32:03.671
the same situation six years from now,

00:32:03.711 –> 00:32:04.372
wondering what the,

00:32:04.833 –> 00:32:06.114
where this collapse came from.

00:32:06.553 –> 00:32:08.775
right and watching luis on

00:32:09.134 –> 00:32:10.415
the dodgers or something

00:32:10.476 –> 00:32:11.655
just absolutely killing it

00:32:11.777 –> 00:32:13.217
like eloy is for the

00:32:13.317 –> 00:32:14.718
orioles and I just that

00:32:14.758 –> 00:32:15.878
makes my heart so happy

00:32:16.359 –> 00:32:17.400
when I because I follow him

00:32:17.420 –> 00:32:18.601
on instagram and I see all

00:32:18.621 –> 00:32:20.241
of his posts and the

00:32:20.402 –> 00:32:22.703
orioles fans are just loving him and um i

00:32:24.664 –> 00:32:25.566
I think, you know,

00:32:25.645 –> 00:32:26.747
we did him dirty here in

00:32:26.787 –> 00:32:28.689
Chicago and that breaks my heart.

00:32:28.930 –> 00:32:31.511
So I don’t want, just, just not like,

00:32:31.551 –> 00:32:32.512
don’t repeat history.

00:32:32.593 –> 00:32:33.775
Look what we just did.

00:32:33.795 –> 00:32:34.295
Yeah.

00:32:34.715 –> 00:32:35.036
You know, we,

00:32:35.415 –> 00:32:37.898
we literally got rid of Eloy for peanuts.

00:32:38.159 –> 00:32:40.060
Let’s not repeat history.

00:32:40.362 –> 00:32:40.622
Yeah.

00:32:41.041 –> 00:32:41.221
And it,

00:32:41.942 –> 00:32:43.942
to be fair too like louise

00:32:44.002 –> 00:32:45.023
robert is not performing

00:32:45.064 –> 00:32:46.104
very well right now right

00:32:46.183 –> 00:32:47.844
but he’s been on the white

00:32:47.884 –> 00:32:48.844
sox we know what he’s

00:32:48.903 –> 00:32:50.565
capable of like now would

00:32:50.605 –> 00:32:51.664
be the time to negotiate

00:32:51.684 –> 00:32:52.805
with scott boris and his

00:32:52.865 –> 00:32:54.346
team to sign him for an

00:32:54.405 –> 00:32:55.506
extension right because

00:32:55.546 –> 00:32:58.105
like his he he still has

00:32:58.266 –> 00:32:59.767
very high value right like

00:32:59.807 –> 00:33:01.007
you’d still probably be

00:33:01.027 –> 00:33:02.346
able to get a very good

00:33:02.406 –> 00:33:03.627
haul for louise robert but

00:33:03.647 –> 00:33:06.647
at the same time like I

00:33:06.688 –> 00:33:07.728
don’t know I just I feel

00:33:07.748 –> 00:33:09.009
like now would be the time

00:33:09.028 –> 00:33:10.249
to start talking extension

00:33:11.932 –> 00:33:13.133
And they’re not going to do that.

00:33:13.452 –> 00:33:13.633
No.

00:33:14.173 –> 00:33:15.114
Yeah.

00:33:15.134 –> 00:33:16.654
Because they would rather

00:33:16.755 –> 00:33:18.855
just watch him go somewhere

00:33:19.016 –> 00:33:22.499
else and let’s put all of our, you know,

00:33:22.699 –> 00:33:23.719
eggs in a basket of

00:33:23.798 –> 00:33:26.161
somebody who’s down in Birmingham.

00:33:26.441 –> 00:33:28.561
They’re thinking about, oh,

00:33:28.622 –> 00:33:30.943
if he gets hot mid-next season,

00:33:31.003 –> 00:33:32.845
we can trade him for an absolute haul.

00:33:33.105 –> 00:33:33.345
Yeah.

00:33:33.484 –> 00:33:34.445
For guys that are not going

00:33:34.465 –> 00:33:35.586
to be here for another four years.

00:33:35.727 –> 00:33:37.448
You know, like it’s just, yeah.

00:33:38.512 –> 00:33:39.614
Yeah, because, I mean,

00:33:39.673 –> 00:33:40.594
I write enough about the

00:33:40.653 –> 00:33:42.035
minors to tell you there’s

00:33:42.115 –> 00:33:43.474
not a Luis Robert Jr.

00:33:43.535 –> 00:33:44.135
in the minors.

00:33:45.375 –> 00:33:46.416
There are some guys who can

00:33:46.436 –> 00:33:47.436
play some good defense.

00:33:47.576 –> 00:33:49.278
There are some guys who can hit home runs.

00:33:49.498 –> 00:33:50.558
There are some guys who can

00:33:50.598 –> 00:33:51.378
hit for average.

00:33:51.479 –> 00:33:52.960
But there isn’t a guy who

00:33:53.279 –> 00:33:54.099
can do all of them.

00:33:54.119 –> 00:33:55.520
And Luis, when he’s right,

00:33:55.560 –> 00:33:57.721
can do all of those things.

00:33:58.261 –> 00:34:00.743
So that’s on my wish list

00:34:00.884 –> 00:34:01.423
for the next year.

00:34:02.753 –> 00:34:04.835
whatever, 40 whatever games we have left.

00:34:04.894 –> 00:34:05.675
I was going to count them

00:34:05.715 –> 00:34:06.316
and then I didn’t.

00:34:06.415 –> 00:34:10.478
So that we can can get that done.

00:34:10.938 –> 00:34:12.519
So, OK, well,

00:34:12.579 –> 00:34:13.440
I think our last topic is

00:34:13.460 –> 00:34:14.340
we’re going to talk about

00:34:14.440 –> 00:34:16.322
is the one that you brought up, Ali,

00:34:16.362 –> 00:34:18.704
which is the rumblings

00:34:18.764 –> 00:34:22.925
about this new possible six

00:34:23.005 –> 00:34:24.967
inning mandate for starting

00:34:25.007 –> 00:34:26.648
pitchers that MLB is kind

00:34:26.668 –> 00:34:27.568
of throwing around.

00:34:27.668 –> 00:34:29.630
So I know you briefly read on it,

00:34:29.710 –> 00:34:30.731
but you want to give a little

00:34:31.490 –> 00:34:31.931
summary.

00:34:31.971 –> 00:34:32.391
Yeah.

00:34:32.952 –> 00:34:34.833
So it sounds like, well,

00:34:35.172 –> 00:34:36.293
Rob Manfred is always

00:34:36.353 –> 00:34:37.074
having all of these

00:34:37.134 –> 00:34:38.353
wonderful ideas about how

00:34:38.414 –> 00:34:40.074
he can make the game of baseball better.

00:34:40.655 –> 00:34:42.056
And one of those apparently

00:34:42.115 –> 00:34:43.356
right now seems to be how

00:34:43.416 –> 00:34:45.117
can they make pitching

00:34:45.978 –> 00:34:48.139
better and make the game more exciting.

00:34:48.219 –> 00:34:49.518
And so an article,

00:34:49.539 –> 00:34:51.280
I think Jesse Rogers from

00:34:51.300 –> 00:34:53.601
ESPN is the article that I saw,

00:34:53.701 –> 00:34:54.922
but they’re suggesting that

00:34:54.942 –> 00:34:56.021
there would be basically

00:34:56.061 –> 00:34:56.842
like starting pitchers

00:34:56.862 –> 00:34:58.402
would have a six inning minimum.

00:34:59.284 –> 00:34:59.364
Um,

00:35:00.003 –> 00:35:01.804
the goal being that pitchers

00:35:02.025 –> 00:35:04.327
would be having Tommy John

00:35:04.387 –> 00:35:06.327
surgery less because there

00:35:06.367 –> 00:35:07.527
would become more of a

00:35:07.588 –> 00:35:10.550
focus on the command and

00:35:10.610 –> 00:35:12.110
precision rather than how

00:35:12.150 –> 00:35:14.411
hard can you throw and how can you,

00:35:14.811 –> 00:35:15.632
how many guys can you

00:35:15.693 –> 00:35:18.094
strike out on 101 mile an hour fastball?

00:35:19.375 –> 00:35:20.215
Which I know we’ve talked

00:35:20.275 –> 00:35:21.735
about in articles and on

00:35:21.775 –> 00:35:23.056
podcasts before Melissa

00:35:23.097 –> 00:35:24.878
about how like all of these

00:35:24.918 –> 00:35:25.649
guys that are throwing 101,

00:35:25.649 –> 00:35:26.338
102 as starting pitchers, like,

00:35:28.735 –> 00:35:29.516
let’s just get the Tommy

00:35:29.536 –> 00:35:30.577
John out of the way because

00:35:30.597 –> 00:35:32.559
it is coming pending.

00:35:32.759 –> 00:35:37.143
So, you know, I do, I do think, you know,

00:35:37.184 –> 00:35:38.786
my first initial reaction is like,

00:35:39.507 –> 00:35:39.827
what the,

00:35:40.728 –> 00:35:42.809
what the frick are you trying to do?

00:35:42.889 –> 00:35:44.612
Because that’s just so stupid.

00:35:44.632 –> 00:35:44.672
Um,

00:35:45.452 –> 00:35:46.534
But at the same time,

00:35:46.554 –> 00:35:47.434
I do understand the

00:35:47.474 –> 00:35:49.496
sentiment because I think

00:35:49.675 –> 00:35:50.757
the number of Tommy John

00:35:50.777 –> 00:35:51.918
surgeries that we’ve seen

00:35:52.018 –> 00:35:53.039
uptick in the last two to

00:35:53.079 –> 00:35:55.420
three years is just striking.

00:35:57.141 –> 00:35:58.862
And quite frankly, very concerning.

00:35:58.882 –> 00:36:01.344
I think it’s incredible that

00:36:01.405 –> 00:36:02.284
these pitchers are able to

00:36:02.324 –> 00:36:03.465
come back and compete at an

00:36:03.505 –> 00:36:04.387
elite level in the way that

00:36:04.407 –> 00:36:05.407
they do after Tommy John

00:36:05.427 –> 00:36:06.648
surgery nowadays because…

00:36:07.728 –> 00:36:09.371
I remember a time when even

00:36:09.411 –> 00:36:10.211
when I was younger,

00:36:10.251 –> 00:36:11.414
where Tommy John surgery

00:36:11.434 –> 00:36:12.454
was like the kiss of death

00:36:12.514 –> 00:36:14.056
and that you were never

00:36:14.277 –> 00:36:15.577
coming back to compete on a

00:36:15.597 –> 00:36:16.219
major league level.

00:36:19.467 –> 00:36:21.610
But I think there’s some flaw to that.

00:36:21.769 –> 00:36:23.030
And I think, you know,

00:36:23.130 –> 00:36:23.931
maybe instead of

00:36:24.052 –> 00:36:26.554
reintroduce introducing some new rules,

00:36:27.173 –> 00:36:29.876
maybe we play around with pitch clock.

00:36:30.996 –> 00:36:32.739
Like because, you know,

00:36:32.778 –> 00:36:33.880
that’s the argument, too, right,

00:36:33.920 –> 00:36:34.719
that people are making is

00:36:34.739 –> 00:36:35.701
like not only are pitchers

00:36:35.721 –> 00:36:36.300
throwing harder,

00:36:36.362 –> 00:36:37.481
but we’re also lessening

00:36:37.501 –> 00:36:39.963
the time between pitches, which is.

00:36:41.057 –> 00:36:43.119
causing arms to tire quicker too.

00:36:43.219 –> 00:36:44.599
So I think there’s a lot of,

00:36:44.619 –> 00:36:47.000
a lot of factors to the game,

00:36:47.221 –> 00:36:50.342
but I also like really,

00:36:50.362 –> 00:36:51.081
you’re going to make a guy

00:36:51.121 –> 00:36:53.103
that’s getting slaughtered

00:36:53.262 –> 00:36:54.222
in the first or second

00:36:54.262 –> 00:36:55.664
inning on a really bad night.

00:36:55.684 –> 00:36:56.583
You’re going to mandate.

00:36:56.623 –> 00:36:57.585
He goes six innings.

00:36:57.625 –> 00:36:58.264
Like I just,

00:36:58.824 –> 00:37:00.226
I think there’s a lot to be

00:37:00.286 –> 00:37:00.965
worked out there.

00:37:02.427 –> 00:37:02.806
Yeah.

00:37:03.106 –> 00:37:03.126
I,

00:37:04.864 –> 00:37:06.643
like when I first heard of it today,

00:37:06.724 –> 00:37:08.385
when my son was kind of talking about it.

00:37:08.425 –> 00:37:10.204
And then when you were telling me about it,

00:37:10.304 –> 00:37:12.186
I was, I was initially confused.

00:37:12.206 –> 00:37:12.525
I was like,

00:37:12.646 –> 00:37:13.985
I don’t see how this is really

00:37:14.005 –> 00:37:15.846
gonna solve any problems.

00:37:16.206 –> 00:37:18.447
But then I I’m old enough to

00:37:18.507 –> 00:37:21.067
remember when Allie, um, you know,

00:37:21.188 –> 00:37:21.827
when I first started

00:37:21.867 –> 00:37:22.648
watching baseball and

00:37:22.728 –> 00:37:25.367
pitchers did pitch for, you know, seven,

00:37:25.487 –> 00:37:27.628
it, you know, usually it was not six,

00:37:27.648 –> 00:37:28.248
it was seven,

00:37:28.728 –> 00:37:31.289
seven innings was kind of the go-to and,

00:37:31.309 –> 00:37:31.349
um,

00:37:32.949 –> 00:37:34.311
you know a lot of times you

00:37:34.331 –> 00:37:34.992
know you were seeing

00:37:35.032 –> 00:37:36.333
complete games and things

00:37:36.393 –> 00:37:38.054
like that and but they

00:37:38.074 –> 00:37:39.155
weren’t throwing as hard

00:37:39.195 –> 00:37:41.777
and so I can see the logic

00:37:41.856 –> 00:37:42.777
in it it’s kind of like

00:37:42.818 –> 00:37:44.259
turn back the clock okay

00:37:44.298 –> 00:37:46.981
you know before when we did

00:37:47.021 –> 00:37:48.702
it this way we didn’t have

00:37:48.722 –> 00:37:51.585
all these issues so I get that

00:37:52.585 –> 00:37:53.666
And I see the logic in it,

00:37:53.786 –> 00:37:54.728
but then I’m also like,

00:37:55.688 –> 00:37:58.869
but that’s like a generational change.

00:37:59.451 –> 00:38:02.132
Like it took us generations to get from,

00:38:02.753 –> 00:38:03.152
you know,

00:38:03.954 –> 00:38:05.795
the old baseball where the

00:38:05.815 –> 00:38:07.356
pitchers pitched and, you know,

00:38:07.436 –> 00:38:08.896
they didn’t have limits and

00:38:08.936 –> 00:38:10.077
all this kind of stuff to

00:38:10.117 –> 00:38:11.338
get where we are now.

00:38:11.938 –> 00:38:14.260
So going backwards,

00:38:14.721 –> 00:38:16.242
like you can’t just be like, okay,

00:38:16.402 –> 00:38:17.121
now we’re going to go to

00:38:17.141 –> 00:38:18.242
the six inning thing and

00:38:18.643 –> 00:38:19.724
this is what we’re going to do.

00:38:20.244 –> 00:38:22.146
I feel like there has to be some,

00:38:22.945 –> 00:38:24.967
some pathway to get to get

00:38:25.027 –> 00:38:28.126
to that point because like

00:38:28.146 –> 00:38:30.268
you said I mean we’ve seen

00:38:30.367 –> 00:38:31.788
plenty of games this year

00:38:31.947 –> 00:38:33.487
where the pitcher gets lit

00:38:33.568 –> 00:38:34.708
up after the first and

00:38:34.768 –> 00:38:36.688
second inning and so is

00:38:36.728 –> 00:38:38.268
there a limit like okay if

00:38:38.309 –> 00:38:39.550
they give up four runs in

00:38:39.590 –> 00:38:40.670
the first inning and four

00:38:40.710 –> 00:38:41.750
runs in the second inning

00:38:41.789 –> 00:38:43.170
then you can let them off

00:38:43.190 –> 00:38:44.150
the hook or something like

00:38:44.170 –> 00:38:45.471
that so they’re not just

00:38:46.311 –> 00:38:47.833
The game could go on so much

00:38:47.873 –> 00:38:48.594
for the pitch clock.

00:38:48.635 –> 00:38:50.117
The game could go on for six

00:38:50.157 –> 00:38:51.739
hours because each inning

00:38:51.820 –> 00:38:53.623
is going on for God knows

00:38:53.663 –> 00:38:54.324
how long because the

00:38:54.344 –> 00:38:55.365
pitcher can’t get anybody out.

00:38:56.067 –> 00:39:00.213
So there has to be, I think, some more…

00:39:01.568 –> 00:39:03.411
Yeah, so I’m reading this article.

00:39:03.791 –> 00:39:04.652
I’m just skimming as you’re

00:39:04.672 –> 00:39:05.813
talking to and it says,

00:39:06.414 –> 00:39:07.556
so a starter would be

00:39:07.577 –> 00:39:08.659
allowed to leave early.

00:39:09.079 –> 00:39:09.880
Like some things have been

00:39:09.900 –> 00:39:11.682
thrown out as like he throws 100 pitches,

00:39:11.722 –> 00:39:12.704
he gives up four or more

00:39:12.784 –> 00:39:13.646
earned runs or he gets

00:39:13.746 –> 00:39:14.606
injured like with a

00:39:14.646 –> 00:39:16.309
required injured list stint

00:39:16.389 –> 00:39:17.592
to avoid manipulation.

00:39:19.271 –> 00:39:19.490
OK.

00:39:20.130 –> 00:39:21.751
But just in reading some of these quotes,

00:39:21.831 –> 00:39:24.414
like the GM from the Dodgers said, like,

00:39:24.474 –> 00:39:25.474
I think we’d have to look

00:39:25.514 –> 00:39:26.536
to build up pitch count

00:39:26.635 –> 00:39:27.817
sooner than we currently do

00:39:27.856 –> 00:39:29.077
in the minor leagues.

00:39:29.217 –> 00:39:30.197
Right.

00:39:30.277 –> 00:39:32.340
The Diamondbacks GM in terms

00:39:32.360 –> 00:39:33.320
of like talking about

00:39:33.360 –> 00:39:34.541
command was just saying, like,

00:39:34.601 –> 00:39:35.581
we’d have to be pushing

00:39:36.237 –> 00:39:37.516
pitchers to be pitching to

00:39:37.577 –> 00:39:38.978
contact rather than be

00:39:39.018 –> 00:39:40.237
pitching for strikeouts.

00:39:40.617 –> 00:39:40.838
Yep.

00:39:41.018 –> 00:39:42.798
But funny enough, Seth Lugo,

00:39:42.878 –> 00:39:43.619
which is like where my

00:39:43.639 –> 00:39:44.719
brain goes immediately was

00:39:45.340 –> 00:39:46.159
quoted saying like,

00:39:46.300 –> 00:39:47.621
I’m already trying to go

00:39:47.701 –> 00:39:49.601
six innings when I go out and pitch.

00:39:49.701 –> 00:39:51.842
Like these pitchers aren’t

00:39:52.322 –> 00:39:54.503
trying to go short amounts

00:39:54.543 –> 00:39:56.222
of time up on the mound.

00:39:56.262 –> 00:39:59.003
Like nobody’s goal is to go

00:39:59.103 –> 00:40:00.605
four innings and call it a night.

00:40:00.625 –> 00:40:00.664
Um,

00:40:03.775 –> 00:40:04.976
So I, I do,

00:40:06.077 –> 00:40:07.518
I do find it interesting that

00:40:07.538 –> 00:40:08.498
you’re going to try to

00:40:08.599 –> 00:40:09.760
implement this when like,

00:40:11.340 –> 00:40:13.503
I don’t think pitchers are

00:40:13.563 –> 00:40:14.483
the ones that are trying to

00:40:14.503 –> 00:40:15.563
get out of games early.

00:40:15.623 –> 00:40:17.045
I think it’s managers now

00:40:17.106 –> 00:40:18.146
trying to manipulate

00:40:18.186 –> 00:40:19.427
pulling pitchers early.

00:40:19.447 –> 00:40:20.668
Cause right.

00:40:20.688 –> 00:40:22.369
Like a lot of this talk too is like,

00:40:23.608 –> 00:40:25.208
pitchers get pulled at when

00:40:25.248 –> 00:40:26.650
the third time through the

00:40:26.690 –> 00:40:27.750
lineup goes through.

00:40:29.369 –> 00:40:30.951
Because hitters start

00:40:30.990 –> 00:40:32.510
catching up or they start reading,

00:40:32.891 –> 00:40:33.731
reading things better,

00:40:33.811 –> 00:40:35.492
which is why I think we are

00:40:35.572 –> 00:40:36.652
seeing less and less.

00:40:37.311 –> 00:40:39.313
These pitchers are throwing hard,

00:40:39.432 –> 00:40:40.572
but after you catch up to

00:40:40.612 –> 00:40:41.353
some of that stuff,

00:40:41.373 –> 00:40:42.992
like once you catch up to a

00:40:43.032 –> 00:40:44.393
fastball like that and you

00:40:44.414 –> 00:40:45.014
start hitting it,

00:40:45.094 –> 00:40:46.173
like that ball’s just going

00:40:46.193 –> 00:40:46.934
to start flying.

00:40:47.454 –> 00:40:48.094
Right.

00:40:49.375 –> 00:40:50.034
And when you can,

00:40:50.893 –> 00:40:53.617
go up to bat and then like

00:40:53.697 –> 00:40:55.141
when you’re done with the up bat,

00:40:55.161 –> 00:40:56.021
you can sit down with an

00:40:56.101 –> 00:40:57.643
iPad and you can get the in

00:40:57.664 –> 00:40:59.507
the moment feedback, you know, you just,

00:40:59.768 –> 00:41:03.652
there’s so much, so much more to it than,

00:41:03.873 –> 00:41:04.534
you know, sit back.

00:41:05.273 –> 00:41:07.894
simply like, Whoa, let’s have a six,

00:41:08.576 –> 00:41:10.556
you know, inning, which goes,

00:41:10.856 –> 00:41:12.597
which does go back to this command thing.

00:41:12.657 –> 00:41:15.418
Like pitchers are going to have to start.

00:41:16.119 –> 00:41:17.721
If this were to be implemented,

00:41:17.860 –> 00:41:19.882
pitchers would have to have an arsenal,

00:41:19.942 –> 00:41:20.101
right?

00:41:20.121 –> 00:41:23.003
Like a true, I’ve got a slider, a splitter,

00:41:23.023 –> 00:41:24.884
a four seam fastball and a change up,

00:41:25.023 –> 00:41:25.284
you know,

00:41:25.344 –> 00:41:28.025
like you’re not going to be able to like,

00:41:29.554 –> 00:41:30.514
Dylan sees his bread and

00:41:30.534 –> 00:41:31.914
butter is his fastball and his slider.

00:41:31.954 –> 00:41:33.135
And he can live on those two

00:41:33.175 –> 00:41:36.295
things because, you know, and he has like,

00:41:36.356 –> 00:41:38.396
he does have a third, if I recall,

00:41:38.436 –> 00:41:40.996
like he’s got other pitches he integrates,

00:41:41.016 –> 00:41:42.418
but like, that’s what he lives on.

00:41:42.438 –> 00:41:45.579
And he’s able to do that because of,

00:41:45.898 –> 00:41:47.298
you know, he’s got the,

00:41:48.318 –> 00:41:49.679
the movement on the slider

00:41:49.840 –> 00:41:51.260
and his fastball sits at 98,

00:41:51.260 –> 00:41:51.719
99 miles an hour.

00:41:51.739 –> 00:41:51.920
Right.

00:41:54.614 –> 00:41:56.114
but you’d really have like,

00:41:56.394 –> 00:41:57.976
it goes back to this whole command thing.

00:41:58.016 –> 00:41:58.757
Like you’re going to have to

00:41:58.797 –> 00:42:00.077
have command over three to

00:42:00.117 –> 00:42:01.820
four pitches on a regular basis.

00:42:01.960 –> 00:42:03.041
And then you’re going to have to,

00:42:03.780 –> 00:42:04.501
if you’re going to have to

00:42:04.561 –> 00:42:06.182
go through a third time in the lineup,

00:42:06.643 –> 00:42:07.244
you’re going to have to

00:42:07.264 –> 00:42:08.565
know how to manipulate those pitches.

00:42:08.585 –> 00:42:09.905
So you’re not doing the same

00:42:11.286 –> 00:42:13.088
combination of pitches for

00:42:13.168 –> 00:42:14.389
all of those at bats.

00:42:14.409 –> 00:42:15.369
So I,

00:42:16.431 –> 00:42:18.311
it would be interesting to see like

00:42:18.351 –> 00:42:20.253
the strategy from like a

00:42:21.173 –> 00:42:23.115
calling pitches perspective too, I think.

00:42:24.268 –> 00:42:25.130
Yeah, yeah.

00:42:25.250 –> 00:42:26.570
The catchers would have to

00:42:26.670 –> 00:42:28.733
be a big part of it because

00:42:28.793 –> 00:42:29.853
it’s the whole pitcher

00:42:29.893 –> 00:42:31.695
versus thrower thing, right?

00:42:31.815 –> 00:42:34.597
It’s that whole concept of

00:42:34.878 –> 00:42:36.719
being able to be the crafty,

00:42:37.219 –> 00:42:38.440
you mentioned Mark Burley

00:42:38.481 –> 00:42:39.601
type when we were talking

00:42:39.681 –> 00:42:40.543
before we started,

00:42:41.324 –> 00:42:42.925
being that type of a guy

00:42:43.344 –> 00:42:45.226
instead of a Michael Kopech

00:42:45.447 –> 00:42:47.068
type of guy who literally

00:42:47.128 –> 00:42:49.590
has one pitch who goes out

00:42:49.610 –> 00:42:50.431
there and just tries to

00:42:50.452 –> 00:42:51.452
blow everybody away.

00:42:52.492 –> 00:42:53.893
um where that guy isn’t

00:42:54.655 –> 00:42:55.735
isn’t going to be able to

00:42:55.875 –> 00:42:58.717
to cut it if it’s gonna

00:42:58.896 –> 00:43:00.637
yeah come to fruition so

00:43:00.659 –> 00:43:05.061
listen I love I love

00:43:05.362 –> 00:43:06.782
precision pitching like I

00:43:06.922 –> 00:43:08.824
love when a picture from paint corners

00:43:09.579 –> 00:43:11.121
for days.

00:43:11.780 –> 00:43:13.181
Especially as someone who

00:43:13.461 –> 00:43:16.443
used to play softball and was a pitcher,

00:43:16.463 –> 00:43:19.505
I love a good pitching matchup.

00:43:19.626 –> 00:43:21.306
And that is my favorite

00:43:21.327 –> 00:43:22.387
thing about baseball is

00:43:22.447 –> 00:43:23.608
watching a pitcher deal.

00:43:23.668 –> 00:43:24.708
Home runs are exciting,

00:43:24.769 –> 00:43:27.010
but I love a pitcher’s duel.

00:43:27.130 –> 00:43:28.632
I love low scoring games

00:43:28.731 –> 00:43:31.594
when that’s happening.

00:43:32.653 –> 00:43:33.135
However-

00:43:34.507 –> 00:43:35.969
I also think that like,

00:43:36.068 –> 00:43:37.449
maybe we should just let

00:43:37.670 –> 00:43:39.530
players play the game of baseball.

00:43:39.630 –> 00:43:42.693
Like the, the sport evolves on its own.

00:43:42.753 –> 00:43:43.432
And I just, I,

00:43:44.673 –> 00:43:46.255
I understand why we’ve

00:43:46.315 –> 00:43:47.275
implemented some of these

00:43:47.335 –> 00:43:48.356
new rules and we’re trying

00:43:48.396 –> 00:43:49.396
to change and like move the

00:43:49.416 –> 00:43:50.757
game along or like, you know,

00:43:50.797 –> 00:43:51.597
do these certain things.

00:43:51.637 –> 00:43:52.938
But at some point you have

00:43:52.978 –> 00:43:54.298
to sit back and wonder like,

00:43:55.380 –> 00:43:56.320
what is too much?

00:43:56.380 –> 00:43:56.641
And like,

00:43:56.681 –> 00:43:58.081
how much are we now trying to

00:43:58.141 –> 00:44:00.422
manipulate how the game works?

00:44:01.217 –> 00:44:03.161
An organic game, right?

00:44:03.442 –> 00:44:03.742
Yes.

00:44:05.025 –> 00:44:06.047
Because the pitchers that

00:44:06.086 –> 00:44:07.769
are throwing hard right now,

00:44:08.090 –> 00:44:10.014
that change shifted because

00:44:10.054 –> 00:44:11.135
of the way that batters.

00:44:12.056 –> 00:44:12.336
You know,

00:44:12.536 –> 00:44:13.876
like batters are now hitting for

00:44:13.916 –> 00:44:15.177
power and launch angle and

00:44:15.217 –> 00:44:16.197
like that whole culture.

00:44:16.257 –> 00:44:17.918
So then like pitchers are now changing.

00:44:17.998 –> 00:44:19.599
And now instead of letting

00:44:19.639 –> 00:44:20.978
that happen naturally,

00:44:21.518 –> 00:44:23.420
you’re now implementing something that,

00:44:23.460 –> 00:44:24.079
like you said,

00:44:24.179 –> 00:44:25.980
would change a whole

00:44:26.039 –> 00:44:27.280
generation of pitching.

00:44:27.920 –> 00:44:29.641
But like you’re forcing that to happen.

00:44:29.661 –> 00:44:30.900
You’re not naturally just

00:44:30.981 –> 00:44:31.782
letting that occur.

00:44:31.822 –> 00:44:33.041
And I think that takes time.

00:44:34.605 –> 00:44:36.065
takes away from the beauty of the game.

00:44:36.907 –> 00:44:37.527
Well, and it’s just,

00:44:38.188 –> 00:44:40.289
I don’t know how you turn back the clock,

00:44:40.349 –> 00:44:40.630
you know,

00:44:40.690 –> 00:44:42.311
because you just walked us

00:44:42.371 –> 00:44:44.273
through like the evolution of moving,

00:44:44.353 –> 00:44:45.114
like what I was talking

00:44:45.135 –> 00:44:46.695
about in the eighties when

00:44:46.795 –> 00:44:48.418
pitchers were very much crafty.

00:44:48.557 –> 00:44:50.840
And like, as I was again,

00:44:51.380 –> 00:44:52.822
writing up a lot of the

00:44:52.862 –> 00:44:54.682
minor stuff over the last month,

00:44:55.344 –> 00:44:57.905
so many of these young guys walk, walk,

00:44:57.945 –> 00:45:00.688
they’re walking people like crazy.

00:45:00.708 –> 00:45:00.768
And,

00:45:01.289 –> 00:45:03.710
Because they aren’t that

00:45:03.911 –> 00:45:06.833
crafty type of pitcher.

00:45:06.853 –> 00:45:08.193
They’re the thrower.

00:45:08.213 –> 00:45:09.355
And of course, they’re young.

00:45:09.434 –> 00:45:10.655
So a lot of them tend to

00:45:10.735 –> 00:45:12.036
have that more throwing

00:45:12.077 –> 00:45:13.978
philosophy than the pitching philosophy.

00:45:15.126 –> 00:45:17.847
But there’s so much of that

00:45:17.967 –> 00:45:20.570
now as opposed to where there was.

00:45:20.869 –> 00:45:22.931
And so it’s like the game

00:45:22.972 –> 00:45:24.934
has just evolved because

00:45:25.534 –> 00:45:26.894
the guys are using all

00:45:26.934 –> 00:45:27.856
these elite training

00:45:27.896 –> 00:45:28.615
methods and they’re

00:45:28.635 –> 00:45:29.737
stronger and they’re bigger.

00:45:29.817 –> 00:45:31.157
And so as they get stronger and bigger,

00:45:31.217 –> 00:45:33.139
then the game has moved a certain way.

00:45:33.219 –> 00:45:33.880
So how do you…

00:45:34.900 –> 00:45:36.722
we can’t like make those things go away.

00:45:36.782 –> 00:45:39.023
We can’t be like, okay,

00:45:39.204 –> 00:45:41.505
no more weight rooms or protein.

00:45:41.525 –> 00:45:42.585
I’m going to go back to the

00:45:42.686 –> 00:45:44.126
chubby little Greg Luzinski

00:45:44.166 –> 00:45:45.387
type of guys who, you know,

00:45:45.427 –> 00:45:46.367
just happened to be really

00:45:46.467 –> 00:45:47.648
strong or whatever.

00:45:47.788 –> 00:45:48.829
Like you just.

00:45:49.528 –> 00:45:51.510
Like eventually the bubble bursts though.

00:45:51.550 –> 00:45:51.871
Right?

00:45:52.510 –> 00:45:54.371
Like eventually they get too

00:45:54.411 –> 00:45:55.632
strong and too fast where

00:45:55.652 –> 00:45:57.293
like not enough people can keep up.

00:45:57.474 –> 00:45:58.855
And then you start seeing like,

00:46:00.202 –> 00:46:02.443
command heavy pitchers pop

00:46:02.563 –> 00:46:04.364
up and have success, right?

00:46:04.423 –> 00:46:08.085
Like that’s how these things change.

00:46:08.144 –> 00:46:10.085
Cause like, I, like,

00:46:10.507 –> 00:46:12.186
I remember when it was

00:46:12.427 –> 00:46:13.748
crazy if someone was

00:46:13.807 –> 00:46:15.108
consistently hitting one-on-one,

00:46:15.148 –> 00:46:16.588
like that never happened.

00:46:16.668 –> 00:46:19.349
And now it happens all the time.

00:46:19.971 –> 00:46:21.351
And I do think that this

00:46:21.490 –> 00:46:24.672
specific shift happened very quickly.

00:46:24.693 –> 00:46:27.514
I think we’re, we’re seeing a rapid shift.

00:46:28.342 –> 00:46:29.521
Yeah, I would agree.

00:46:29.541 –> 00:46:32.043
Influx of very hard throwing pitchers.

00:46:34.983 –> 00:46:35.844
But I, yeah, I,

00:46:36.284 –> 00:46:38.204
but I also think that comes with like you,

00:46:38.324 –> 00:46:39.105
like you mentioned earlier

00:46:39.125 –> 00:46:40.204
with like iPads and stuff,

00:46:40.224 –> 00:46:41.965
like not only are batters evaluating,

00:46:42.025 –> 00:46:43.005
but like pitchers are going

00:46:43.025 –> 00:46:43.985
into the dugout and they’re

00:46:44.025 –> 00:46:45.025
looking at what they’re

00:46:45.065 –> 00:46:46.206
doing inning by inning.

00:46:46.286 –> 00:46:47.567
And I think a lot of the

00:46:47.626 –> 00:46:50.887
technology and there’s very

00:46:50.947 –> 00:46:52.367
like precise training

00:46:52.407 –> 00:46:54.449
that’s happening now for the, you know,

00:46:54.469 –> 00:46:54.809
I mean,

00:46:56.097 –> 00:46:56.918
these players are all

00:46:57.077 –> 00:46:59.378
specialists in what they’re doing, right?

00:46:59.418 –> 00:47:00.039
Like it’s not,

00:47:00.099 –> 00:47:01.500
they’re not doing just like

00:47:02.739 –> 00:47:04.079
full body workouts now.

00:47:04.139 –> 00:47:07.681
Like they’re, you know, that’s like, yeah,

00:47:08.001 –> 00:47:08.661
but they’re doing things

00:47:08.681 –> 00:47:09.842
that are like very precise

00:47:09.902 –> 00:47:12.222
and very specific to what

00:47:12.262 –> 00:47:13.762
they’re going out and setting up to do.

00:47:14.043 –> 00:47:15.123
So like-

00:47:16.101 –> 00:47:18.063
I think it all, it all plays, but yeah,

00:47:18.164 –> 00:47:20.025
I mean, eventually it’s, it, it all,

00:47:20.347 –> 00:47:21.128
it all cycles through.

00:47:21.288 –> 00:47:21.688
It’s all,

00:47:22.389 –> 00:47:23.271
at some point there’s going to be

00:47:23.291 –> 00:47:24.291
a breaking point and we’ll,

00:47:24.391 –> 00:47:25.052
we’ll go back.

00:47:25.172 –> 00:47:26.914
But I think this forces that

00:47:27.655 –> 00:47:28.436
at a point where like,

00:47:28.577 –> 00:47:29.458
do we really need that?

00:47:30.594 –> 00:47:30.815
Right.

00:47:31.315 –> 00:47:34.318
And I just don’t even I just

00:47:34.358 –> 00:47:35.539
can’t see it playing out in

00:47:35.599 –> 00:47:37.039
my head in any way that it

00:47:37.539 –> 00:47:39.242
that it actually is

00:47:39.322 –> 00:47:41.103
impactful because you’re

00:47:41.663 –> 00:47:44.545
you’re talking about to how

00:47:44.686 –> 00:47:46.067
the Little League is how

00:47:46.106 –> 00:47:47.568
those players are developed.

00:47:47.588 –> 00:47:49.610
I mean, you have to change systematically.

00:47:49.969 –> 00:47:52.512
You have to change so much stuff.

00:47:53.452 –> 00:47:54.251
And to me,

00:47:54.311 –> 00:47:56.293
that just doesn’t seem very practical,

00:47:56.452 –> 00:47:57.713
especially knowing MLB.

00:47:57.793 –> 00:47:58.773
I mean, it is a huge,

00:47:58.873 –> 00:48:00.253
monstrous organization.

00:48:01.114 –> 00:48:03.795
And to look at everything we

00:48:03.835 –> 00:48:04.994
went through just to make

00:48:05.054 –> 00:48:06.556
the few minor changes that

00:48:06.576 –> 00:48:08.695
we have since the pandemic

00:48:09.155 –> 00:48:10.737
and how those things have

00:48:10.817 –> 00:48:12.717
kind of caused controversy

00:48:12.896 –> 00:48:13.617
and everything.

00:48:13.677 –> 00:48:14.818
And now looking at the

00:48:14.898 –> 00:48:16.038
automated dumps still,

00:48:16.378 –> 00:48:17.239
that’s still kind of

00:48:17.278 –> 00:48:18.719
hanging out there as well.

00:48:18.858 –> 00:48:18.918
And

00:48:20.108 –> 00:48:22.190
don’t know I think and a lot

00:48:22.210 –> 00:48:23.190
of these things have been

00:48:23.931 –> 00:48:24.971
like the pitch clock right

00:48:25.010 –> 00:48:26.132
that was implemented in the

00:48:26.172 –> 00:48:27.911
minor leagues before right

00:48:28.572 –> 00:48:29.992
before it came here same

00:48:30.052 –> 00:48:32.014
thing with the abs system

00:48:32.193 –> 00:48:33.494
like that’s that’s being

00:48:33.534 –> 00:48:34.574
tested in the minor leagues

00:48:34.635 –> 00:48:37.416
and so and I i mean you do

00:48:37.436 –> 00:48:38.177
a lot of minor league

00:48:38.197 –> 00:48:39.217
coverage but even I know

00:48:39.317 –> 00:48:41.018
these pitchers don’t go

00:48:41.077 –> 00:48:42.579
long they don’t have long

00:48:42.659 –> 00:48:44.639
starts in the minors and so

00:48:45.800 –> 00:48:47.780
If you’re going to implement

00:48:47.820 –> 00:48:49.541
a six inning mandate,

00:48:49.862 –> 00:48:52.302
that’s something that you

00:48:52.342 –> 00:48:54.164
have to implement that on an MLB level.

00:48:54.224 –> 00:48:56.025
You can’t go into a high A

00:48:56.545 –> 00:48:57.585
clubhouse and be like, hey,

00:48:57.606 –> 00:48:58.246
we’re going to test this

00:48:58.306 –> 00:49:00.286
out for a season because no

00:49:00.347 –> 00:49:02.547
high A pitcher is pitching six innings.

00:49:02.728 –> 00:49:03.528
Yeah, no.

00:49:03.548 –> 00:49:03.789
Yeah,

00:49:03.849 –> 00:49:07.273
because they’re just not ready from a

00:49:07.393 –> 00:49:08.934
developmental standpoint to do that.

00:49:08.974 –> 00:49:09.195
I mean,

00:49:09.215 –> 00:49:11.297
if I’m combing through the stats

00:49:11.358 –> 00:49:12.980
and I see a guy who’s pitched five,

00:49:13.039 –> 00:49:14.521
I was like, woo, that’s a really,

00:49:14.702 –> 00:49:16.043
really strong start for him.

00:49:16.103 –> 00:49:17.844
You can actually get the win.

00:49:17.905 –> 00:49:19.347
That doesn’t happen very often.

00:49:20.248 –> 00:49:21.608
But you would have to…

00:49:22.170 –> 00:49:23.909
have it maybe at AAA because

00:49:24.210 –> 00:49:25.110
those guys are getting,

00:49:25.130 –> 00:49:26.110
but then sometimes the guys

00:49:26.170 –> 00:49:28.351
are jumping from AA right in, you know,

00:49:28.371 –> 00:49:29.532
a lot of our guys this year

00:49:29.552 –> 00:49:30.012
have done that.

00:49:30.072 –> 00:49:30.952
They just skipped Charlotte

00:49:30.972 –> 00:49:32.552
altogether and went from AA to,

00:49:33.213 –> 00:49:33.992
to the bigs.

00:49:34.112 –> 00:49:36.134
So it just, to me seems,

00:49:36.693 –> 00:49:37.653
it just seems like a very

00:49:37.773 –> 00:49:39.255
way out there idea and that

00:49:39.335 –> 00:49:40.135
they’re somehow.

00:49:42.375 –> 00:49:44.335
if that they want to be able

00:49:44.396 –> 00:49:46.376
to accomplish some of the

00:49:46.416 –> 00:49:47.538
things that they’re

00:49:47.557 –> 00:49:48.599
thinking this would accomplish,

00:49:49.018 –> 00:49:50.039
that there might be other

00:49:50.079 –> 00:49:52.701
ways to think about it and do it.

00:49:52.760 –> 00:49:53.742
But then, like you said,

00:49:53.782 –> 00:49:55.443
then it’s so much more manipulation.

00:49:55.483 –> 00:49:56.443
We’ve already done so much

00:49:56.483 –> 00:49:57.684
manipulation when we take a

00:49:57.724 –> 00:49:58.985
break from the manipulation

00:49:59.085 –> 00:50:00.686
for a while and see if

00:50:00.746 –> 00:50:01.746
there’s something else that

00:50:01.766 –> 00:50:03.606
we can do to prevent these

00:50:03.666 –> 00:50:05.487
guys from blowing out their arms,

00:50:05.507 –> 00:50:06.768
you know,

00:50:06.809 –> 00:50:08.349
get a bunch of really smart people

00:50:08.652 –> 00:50:09.692
doctors and physical

00:50:09.711 –> 00:50:11.353
therapists and stuff

00:50:11.373 –> 00:50:12.293
together to form

00:50:13.632 –> 00:50:15.974
exploratory boards and things like that.

00:50:16.054 –> 00:50:16.833
Like to me,

00:50:16.853 –> 00:50:17.974
you almost want to kind of

00:50:18.054 –> 00:50:20.155
exhaust some other areas

00:50:20.394 –> 00:50:22.875
that wouldn’t even affect the, you know,

00:50:22.894 –> 00:50:25.615
could be done off the field

00:50:26.155 –> 00:50:27.835
from a research perspective

00:50:27.956 –> 00:50:29.896
without bringing it in to

00:50:29.916 –> 00:50:31.137
the game quite yet.

00:50:31.501 –> 00:50:33.563
And I feel like they haven’t, maybe,

00:50:33.623 –> 00:50:34.583
maybe they have done these

00:50:34.643 –> 00:50:35.764
things and I’m just, you know,

00:50:35.985 –> 00:50:38.706
out of the loop clearly, but.

00:50:40.047 –> 00:50:40.806
It’s pretty clear.

00:50:40.887 –> 00:50:43.648
This is something that’s, you know,

00:50:45.969 –> 00:50:47.851
very early in the works and not,

00:50:48.291 –> 00:50:49.152
not something that’s been

00:50:49.211 –> 00:50:51.213
fully flushed out or like,

00:50:51.393 –> 00:50:53.315
it’s not like Manfred’s like, Oh,

00:50:53.335 –> 00:50:53.974
we’re going to implement

00:50:54.014 –> 00:50:54.755
this next season.

00:50:54.815 –> 00:50:55.715
It’s just something that’s

00:50:55.775 –> 00:50:57.376
like floating around, um,

00:50:58.632 –> 00:50:59.972
you know, we’re, we’re in the,

00:51:00.112 –> 00:51:02.335
we’re in the slog of 162 season.

00:51:02.375 –> 00:51:03.396
Like they’ve got to start

00:51:03.436 –> 00:51:06.398
writing about random things to, you know,

00:51:06.617 –> 00:51:07.038
not that,

00:51:07.137 –> 00:51:07.798
not that there aren’t

00:51:07.858 –> 00:51:09.460
interesting things happening in baseball,

00:51:09.480 –> 00:51:11.981
but you’ve got to keep the things buzzing,

00:51:12.021 –> 00:51:12.641
I suppose.

00:51:13.023 –> 00:51:14.143
Well, where there’s smoke,

00:51:14.184 –> 00:51:15.364
there is usually fire though,

00:51:15.445 –> 00:51:17.106
because we know when we’ve heard about,

00:51:17.306 –> 00:51:18.666
Oh, we’re thinking about, you know,

00:51:18.726 –> 00:51:19.588
automated umps or we’re

00:51:19.608 –> 00:51:20.487
thinking about pitch clock.

00:51:20.527 –> 00:51:20.788
I mean,

00:51:21.548 –> 00:51:22.989
it doesn’t hang around for too long

00:51:23.190 –> 00:51:25.592
before we actually see some action on it.

00:51:25.711 –> 00:51:27.552
Once it kind of, the buzz kind of starts.

00:51:27.753 –> 00:51:28.193
So it’s like,

00:51:28.673 –> 00:51:30.074
how is it going to be received?

00:51:30.954 –> 00:51:31.976
Yeah, exactly.

00:51:32.695 –> 00:51:33.795
But the article has plenty

00:51:33.815 –> 00:51:36.338
of quotes from GMs and, and, and play,

00:51:36.438 –> 00:51:36.958
you know, there’s,

00:51:36.998 –> 00:51:37.958
there’s quite a few quotes.

00:51:37.978 –> 00:51:39.099
So, I mean, it’s not,

00:51:40.079 –> 00:51:40.920
it’s clearly something

00:51:40.940 –> 00:51:42.340
that’s being disgusting in

00:51:42.380 –> 00:51:44.400
clubhouses and in front offices.

00:51:44.481 –> 00:51:46.762
So I don’t, you know, it’ll be,

00:51:46.882 –> 00:51:47.561
it’ll definitely be

00:51:47.601 –> 00:51:48.722
interesting to see like

00:51:49.282 –> 00:51:50.344
what becomes of that,

00:51:50.423 –> 00:51:52.264
especially because like you said,

00:51:52.284 –> 00:51:52.844
like this is something

00:51:52.864 –> 00:51:53.445
that’s going to have to be

00:51:53.465 –> 00:51:54.445
thought out and fleshed out

00:51:54.606 –> 00:51:56.786
and figured out.

00:51:56.907 –> 00:51:57.847
And I think like,

00:51:58.751 –> 00:52:00.733
Rob Manfred’s retiring in 2029,

00:52:00.733 –> 00:52:02.253
which is still five years away,

00:52:02.313 –> 00:52:04.353
but like stuff like this,

00:52:04.414 –> 00:52:04.793
if you’re going to

00:52:04.833 –> 00:52:06.175
implement something as major as this,

00:52:06.715 –> 00:52:07.916
it is going to take quite a

00:52:07.936 –> 00:52:10.376
bit of research and development.

00:52:10.396 –> 00:52:11.257
So it’s like, I don’t,

00:52:12.097 –> 00:52:14.538
does it even make it, you know,

00:52:14.577 –> 00:52:16.878
like just die when Rob,

00:52:17.139 –> 00:52:18.639
when Rob leaves or, you know,

00:52:18.780 –> 00:52:20.360
so things to be considered.

00:52:20.400 –> 00:52:22.902
I think it’s interesting to say the least,

00:52:23.041 –> 00:52:23.181
but.

00:52:23.648 –> 00:52:23.869
Well,

00:52:23.889 –> 00:52:25.592
it’s always fun to just pick brains

00:52:25.692 –> 00:52:27.454
and talk about what ifs too,

00:52:27.693 –> 00:52:29.175
especially when we’re where

00:52:29.195 –> 00:52:29.936
we’re at right now.

00:52:30.617 –> 00:52:31.599
Let’s talk about anything

00:52:31.679 –> 00:52:34.884
else besides saying suck 25

00:52:34.884 –> 00:52:36.085
different ways.

00:52:36.847 –> 00:52:38.047
Yeah, for sure.

00:52:38.628 –> 00:52:40.530
Well, it’s been super fun, Allie.

00:52:40.550 –> 00:52:42.050
Thanks for speaking, Melissa.

00:52:42.371 –> 00:52:45.413
Yeah, and thanks, everyone, for listening.

00:52:45.432 –> 00:52:47.574
Hopefully you enjoyed our

00:52:47.713 –> 00:52:51.295
little ladies’ night chat, and we’ll have,

00:52:51.556 –> 00:52:51.996
hopefully,

00:52:52.016 –> 00:52:53.717
a handful of them more before

00:52:53.777 –> 00:52:56.318
the slog is over because, well,

00:52:56.358 –> 00:52:57.199
eventually, well,

00:52:57.219 –> 00:52:58.039
I guess at the end of the

00:52:58.079 –> 00:52:59.340
season we’ll have a new manager,

00:52:59.400 –> 00:53:00.621
but clearly there’s going

00:53:00.641 –> 00:53:02.242
to be some things that are

00:53:02.262 –> 00:53:03.581
going to happen between now and then.

00:53:03.621 –> 00:53:05.824
We’ll probably be DFAing some folks,

00:53:05.884 –> 00:53:07.525
and we’ll get, hopefully, some…

00:53:08.465 –> 00:53:10.445
late late august early

00:53:10.485 –> 00:53:11.626
september call-ups because

00:53:11.666 –> 00:53:13.045
there are some some guys

00:53:13.085 –> 00:53:15.146
that I think fans will be

00:53:15.206 –> 00:53:16.527
really excited to see um

00:53:17.648 –> 00:53:19.188
that yeah just their

00:53:19.208 –> 00:53:20.367
personalities that we’ve

00:53:20.407 –> 00:53:22.829
got some really great um

00:53:23.349 –> 00:53:25.050
personalities in the minors

00:53:25.150 –> 00:53:26.170
that you know I think are

00:53:26.190 –> 00:53:27.710
the kind of players that

00:53:27.989 –> 00:53:29.070
fans like you know they’re

00:53:29.110 –> 00:53:31.190
just likable easy to relate

00:53:31.851 –> 00:53:33.371
um and I feel like we

00:53:34.032 –> 00:53:36.393
you know, we have like a guy like Luis,

00:53:36.434 –> 00:53:38.014
or we have a guy like Garrett.

00:53:38.094 –> 00:53:39.556
And so it’d be nice to have like,

00:53:39.996 –> 00:53:41.036
where people can pick from

00:53:41.077 –> 00:53:44.039
like 10 guys that they, you know,

00:53:44.059 –> 00:53:45.179
want to get behind and buy

00:53:45.199 –> 00:53:46.280
a jersey for or whatever.

00:53:46.380 –> 00:53:48.802
So, so we’ll have some new guys,

00:53:48.822 –> 00:53:51.525
hopefully we can talk about too.

00:53:51.664 –> 00:53:53.065
So, all right.

00:53:53.166 –> 00:53:55.188
Well, until next time, everybody,

00:53:55.307 –> 00:53:56.369
we’ll talk to you soon.

00:53:56.768 –> 00:53:57.389
Bye.

00:53:57.750 –> 00:53:58.150
Bye.